[Dana Nielsen]

Amazing topic, @Nate — and one for the ages!! I’m posting my process below in 4 individual steps in case anyone wants to add-to or follow-up on any 1 specific step rather than the whole giant response.

I’d love for other members here to chime in on this discussion too with their own thoughts, tips, plugins, questions, and ideas! That’s the fun of a forum and discussion, right?! 🙌

Ok here goes …

[Dana Nielsen]

1. Strip down to the bare essentials:

• In an orch/electronic score this might be one bass instrument, a main “kick”, main “snare”, the main melodic instrument (voice, synth etc), the main rhythm instrument (piano, string ostinato, etc. — just pick a single rhythm inst if u can — the one that starts and carries the song/piece!). Now build an amazing mix with ONLY those items.
  

• Give yourself plenty of headroom during this first step. Turn ur speakers up loud if u like to vibe out loud (i often do, to start!) but make sure the big kick booms or snare cracks or lead instrument — whatever’s driving your mix — isn’t peaking at all. I like to keep a comfy 3-6dB buffer on my meters in pro tools (i.e. -6dBfs, so my loudest momentary peak would be -6dB below full scale / peaking). I always meter in pro tools “classic” mode – but you do you!

[Jeremy Roye]

Awesome. Love reading this note (that you also shared on my consultation!) about the levels and cranking the system on the first pass with headroom. I needed this visual/text reminder! 🙏

[Dana Nielsen]

2. Make it rock on the smalls:

• Once you love your stripped-down mix rockin’ on the big speakers, switch to a set of small speakers and make sure everything is audible and balanced on those (i prefer my small speakers pushed together for a mono sound and located on a shelf somewhere on the other side of the room, not at all in the “sweet spot”). Honestly, I do at least 60% of my mixing on the small “other side of the room” speakers!

• When I first switch to smalls, I’m usually like “I can’t hear the bass anymore!” and I sometimes turn my bass/808/low-end faders up SIGNIFICANTLY until I’m like “yeahhh, that’s how it’s supposed to sound”.

[Jesse Lewis]

Quick Question – Do you think listening thru my laptop built in speakers could be a good alternative to the small speakers across the room? Or is the actual distance from the sound source important?

[Dana Nielsen]

Heck yeah @JLEW – laptop speakers would be perfect to use as your “smalls”!

Regarding the distance from mix position factor … there does seem to be some extra insight gained from listening from across the room, even if just a few feet, and preferably not right in front of you. I don’t want to be seduced by top-end or bottom-end or stereo image while working on my smalls; I only want to be concerned with levels and balance, the general “power” and shape of the record. Placing those speakers away from me (off to the side or behind me perhaps) keeps me better focused on my small-speakers mission: Can I hear every fundamental note the bass is playing? Are my favorite melodic moments within the rhythm section still audible and conveying the same emotion as they do on the big speakers? Stuff like that.

If I had to break it down tho, I’d say simply having a set of small speakers to work with is 80-90% of the “smalls” equation for me. Getting them situated in mono and away from the listening position adds another 10-20% helpful information mojo magic. 🪄💫

[Jesse Lewis]

why are you so heavy?!!!

[Nathaniel Earl]

🙌

[Dana Nielsen]

3. Back to the bigs for the moment of truth:

• Once u feel good about your small-speaker balance and have been listening and adjusting and mixing on those for 20mins or more so your ears are totally in that small speaker zone, switch back to big speakers for a real surprise 😱. The low end issues will be extremely apparent now! Keep the faders where they’re at and use Hi-pass, low shelving, and/or bell-curves to reign in subs and lows to taste while remaining confident the bass instruments are still going to speak on the small speaks just the way u had them.
  • pro tip: adding harmonic distortion/saturation often helps low frequencies speak on small speaks!
  • pro tip 2: the TC Elec Clarity meter (or similar) will give a visual representation of lurking low end where it’s unnecessary like vocals etc. Carve that shiz out w no remorse and free up valuable frequency bandwidth for bass instruments that need it.

[Dana Nielsen]

4. Proceed with confidence and discretion:

• Now that you love your clear, stripped down “essentials” mix on both the bigs and the smalls you are ready to start introducing additional instruments … ONE BY ONE … adding them, in order of importance, to the overall record … giving each new element it’s time in the sun and under the microscope (frequency-wise, balance-wise) making sure each new element fits into and supports the stripped/essentials mix.

• Don’t be surprised if you find some of these newly-added instruments/parts/overdubs are no longer needed now that you’ve found all the drama and power you need in the song’s core elements! Each new element is just a piece of the puzzle, supporting the core “stripped” mix. If it doesn’t fit or play nice with the core elements consider tossing it back into the puzzle box (muting it for now) and moving on to a different better-fitting piece of the puzzle.

[Michael Leto]

This is very helpful!! Do you find yourself side chaining at all? I’ve been using soothe to side chain and loving it.

[Dana Nielsen]

Oh nice! Yeah I LOVE me some Soothe for sure. Usually tho I’m using it as an insert on super tricky resonant “harsh” sources. I’ll have to try it using a key input (sidechain) from a different source sometime. Is that how you’ve been using it? I’d love to hear more about it!

I really only set up sidechains very occasionally as I find most situations don’t require them to get the job done (contrary to what u read on the internets haha). When I do set up something like that I’m usually using Fabfilter Pro-MB, like attenuating midrange on an electric guitar whenever the singer starts singing to automatically carve out space for the vocal midrange if the guitar is overlapping in a weird way (by keying a specific pro-mb band via a send from the vocal) … stuff like that. But again… super rare in my mix workflow. I usually would rather just find good static eq settings for each part so they can play nice together without undue shenanigans 🤓.

[Jeremy Roye]

Thank you for erasing years of youtube fear-setting right here. haha

[Dana Nielsen]

Haha yeah man, don’t believe the hype! Sometimes (99% of the time) all that’s needed is a stock EQ or compressor that you already own. People always ask me which “dynamic EQ” I like best and I’m all ….. “uh, 20yr old stock Avid 7-band normal EQ”

[Jesse Lewis]

Production advice “Gold” right there ❤ Thank you

[Nathaniel Earl]

The fog is lifting! @dana you’re a boss, thank you for sharing all this insight/knowledge. LOVE the small speakers off to the side suggestion- gonna break out the ol’ paperweights and finally put them to some good use. Looking forward to seeing others share on this topic!

[Dana Nielsen]

My pleasure,man! Hahaha – paperweights! For decades I’ve been using a pair of Realistics sold by Radio Shack in the early 90s. My friend McKay Garner turned me on to them forever ago and I’ve bought several pairs since then so I can have a home pair and a travel pair. Here are a few images to show the speakers and where I have them situated in my room relative to my mix position … way off to the side, pushed together. Gives you a bit of that “listening from a different room” feeling, which is always revealing in it’s own right.

[Nathaniel Earl]

So awesome. Love this idea. Can’t wait to implement! I’ll share a photo with my paperweight setup soon

[Dana Nielsen]

Yes please! Paperweight party!

[Charissa Nielsen]

Mixing details are above my pay grade BUT, I would really like to dust those Realistic speaker pairs. 😆 🧽

[Dana Nielsen]

😂😂😂😂😂😂 @CMN I literally took those pics thinking, “Charissa’s not going to like how dusty these are 😬”

[Jeremy Roye]

Noted: Mixes may sound cleaner if monitors are dusted. 🤣

What kind of setting is “in” or “out” for surround sound anyway? haha.🤔

[Dana Nielsen]

Hahah – u know it! 🧹 And yeah, these things have Dolby ATMOS encoding and decoding built in, baby! 🔊

[Stuart Roholt]

Jumping in late to the party!

Wanted to chime in with an alternative (to the small speaker technique) that I’ve found, kind of out of necessity – SoundID Reference from Sonarworks.

I’m using it as a plugin on my master as the last in the chain, in Logic, with a profile/preset specifically for my Beyerdynamic DT 770 Pro 80OHM headphones, to give me a flat response.

About 5 years ago, I noticed some hearing loss in my mids & Highs (basically, speech!), so I got tested, and have been using hearing aids ever since.

I was really chasing my tail, trying to get a mix that transferred on multiple systems, so I decided to go the “flat headphone response”, and cut out the environment. It’s really been a game changer for me, and I have a lot more confidence, and trust in what I’m doing.

Just my 2 cents –

Thanks for the forum Dana 🙂

[Dana Nielsen]

Wudup, @smoothygroove ! Yeah love Sound ID and the Sonarworks peeps! They actually came to my studio and did an interview a year or so ago. I’ve been a fan of theirs for years. Sorry to hear of your hearing woes. So glad you’ve found a good workaround! 💜. Thanks so much for sharing this!

Here’s that interview if anyone’s interested 🤘. Maybe I’ll add it to the blog page soon…

https://youtu.be/j_aRTD4yPrY

[JON PLETT]

Nice to see Beni Sway make a cameo in that YT interview. 😂

[Dana Nielsen]

@Jon_Plett 😂 😂 I forgot about that!!

[Stuart Roholt]

Nice! “147 is my jam” 😄

[Dana Nielsen]

Hahahahahahahaha – bane of my (room) existence! I even have a custom “De-147Hz” clip fx button for it programmed on my soundflow streamdeck! 😂