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i trust your ears and instruments too, paul! ongoing gratitude for your listens, rigor and extra special sauce commentary (i LOVE reading what your words!). you’ve definitively pointed me in the right direction fortunately quick, easy fixes, and its sounds so much better already.
a) the limiter gain was set too high (i was losing perspective, cause i was aiming for loud cause I get suckered into the louder just sounds better paradigm, even if not right for this song.
b) at the top was indeed a pop that i missed. i had forgotten to cut the low end off the vocal.
c) and bonus for the comment on the 300 build up.i’ll be tinkering some more over the next few days including testing out a few mastering settings, and will circle back so you can hear the maybe, hopefully final version.
multiple mahalos!
nate
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hi @-PT curious if you found any clues on the cause of the volume discrepancy.
@dana – one clarifying follow up from our Q+A, you mentioned that for instagram you do -2.0 true peak to avoid distortion. spotify has this guideline as well for anything louder than -14 LUFS and tunecore distribution goes to instagram as well, so hence why i went for -2.0 true peak and seems like the way to go across the board, though on the one hand it avoids the distortion, on the other hand it might not be as loud?
appreciate any further insights. may your close to the year be fulfilling!
nate
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right on @dana thanks for these tips. really interested in checking out melodyne!
as for the blips, i did try the buffer size solution at the time of bouncing but that didn’t seem to help. hopefully just one off issue for this song. LOTS of learning from this process.
thanks again for everything. you’ve really helped fuel me with exactly what i needed. so grateful! 🙌
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ok, took another pass. i THINK i captured the notes here on volumes, effects and the drums.
and i also replaced the snare hit with a more consistent hit. i went further to limit the distraction, but curious what you think now.@dana i’d love to hear your further thoughts on the drums and final stage mastering when you’re back from vacation!
@-PT many thanks for the pointers and affirmations! curious to here how this sits now. beginning still too loud? the mastering plugin might be contributing to that? as for whistler – it’s really hard for me to bury him – he (me) with that melody/counter melody were the original source / inspiration of the song on the streets of old stockholm…:) but maybe i’ll try one more go with just vocals with that melody no lyrics. or maybe the next version i connect with an instrumentalist, like a violaist…what would you replace it with?
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wow @Dana – so grateful for your listens, the vid even (!) and all these insights – every single one is very illuminating to me. and indeed, i’m very excited to jump back into this over the weekend and refine, to help the song shine.
two quick follow ups: noting that the distortion in the intro and ending builds was intentional, to elevate the intensity. that being said, if you as the listener question the choice, that feels like a distraction. any suggestions on that other than adding some distortion for the whole part so it seems more intentional (would rather not take it away)?
also wanted to give props to the cellist – yoed nir, who was fantastic to work with. i hired him for just the cello part and he came back with the full string section for the chorus (and bridge which i ended up not using), for no extra cost. such a dream to hear to a melody played like that (first time ever for strings for me). highly recommend if you ever need such a dynamic, versatile player! https://soundbetter.com/profiles/3305-yoed-nir
multiple mahalos, dana. i’m truly honored by the deep attention you gave the track, and humbled by your appreciation for it. quite a boost!
– nate
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Many thanks, Dana! Uploading a fresher version of born + raised and posting here (and deleted the old version above). very fine tinkering on things i was hearing the past few days. appreciate the listens, and support, as always!
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yes please detective, thanks! here’s the full screenshot of the reference track.
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thanks for this @michael and @dana everything was scenario B – same everything but really helpful and reassuring to know that others have tested this )it’s possible that it was a strange psychological effect🙃?) i’ll therefore keep plowing ahead with using logic and keep monitoring it vs. abandoning ship at this stage. thank you thank you!
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hey @detective and @dana !
sending positive vibrations especially this election week. circling back and sharing that old new maps is now streaming in the world. SO appreciate all the insights and feedback. i kept pushing and pushing it through many iterations after your comments. i ended up learning a ton and so grateful i took the extra time – i even mastered the thing myself. looking ahead for next step time, i had some struggles with logicpro at the tail end on and curious if you or anyone else has issues / resolves with three main topics:
1. tuning plugin tips: trying both the built-in pitch correction in logicpro and then antares autotune trial, i couldn’t figure out how to get the output dial to accurately reflect where things were supposed to be, so i still had to do everything by ear. any tips / tutorials for how to better use these tools or other tuning plugins?
2. sound quality decrease from bounce: i noticed that the bounce from logic pro wasn’t quite as punchy, especially on the high end. example: there were cool surprise harmonics from the vocals happening that would only show up on an occasional bounce. i ended up adding tracks to replicate the sound so it ended up okay, it drove me wild for several extra days. in an online course i took on studio.com, ryan tedder said he no longer used logicpro because he had this same issue of the bounce losing quality and spend hours talking to support, so ended up just switching to protools and maybe one other. i looked online for similar stories and saw a little bit here and there. avoidable or is this a real thing?
3. random blips during bounce: after lots of hunting, i figured out there may be some issue with the one of the plugins – PHAT FX – on the main snare perhaps in combination with the reverb that kept adding blips in random spots whenever i’d bounce. and then they’d become permanent in the original source. does this sound familiar and any tips on how to avoid this?thanks so much!
nate
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paul – thanks so much for the additional listen and i love the story!
and forgive the delay in my reply – i read your note and then went way deep again into creative mode. not sure if where i ended up relative to these points above, but feeling done after far too many iterations :).
just submitted for distribution – will share back when it’s out!